tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8704744329627463945.comments2023-03-02T04:35:00.210-08:00Under His Wingsjonlewishttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00242485100391551967noreply@blogger.comBlogger36125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8704744329627463945.post-35973365387354425092022-04-18T21:24:32.765-07:002022-04-18T21:24:32.765-07:00Thanks, Jon, for bringing even richer meaning to t...Thanks, Jon, for bringing even richer meaning to this song we've been enjoying together! Danhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09235140675395814101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8704744329627463945.post-1212167091226730212021-03-23T08:06:44.682-07:002021-03-23T08:06:44.682-07:00So are you leaving the convergence phase and movin...So are you leaving the convergence phase and moving to celebration? How do you recognize when it's time to move on from a focus on stewardship of leadership opportunity to one of consolidating the expenditure of energy around existing relationships?Sethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04134575439405007427noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8704744329627463945.post-48901593797396849052020-03-11T11:53:18.579-07:002020-03-11T11:53:18.579-07:00Greetings from Pakistan.
Well explained brother Ji...Greetings from Pakistan.<br />Well explained brother Jim, your five keys for DMM movements are really important for Movements especially Muslim countries because we don't focus on conversions and sobering reversals but only true Disciples of Jesus Christ.<br /><br />I do agreed with your statement and research, “Jesus has all the power and authority and will be with his disciples (Matthew 28:18-20), but will not entrust himself to people whose hearts are unchanged (John 2:23-25). In other words, from Matthew, unless Jesus is involved there will be no movement. From John, heart transformation is necessary for Jesus to entrust himself to our actions. So, personal preparation and a transformed heart are essential prerequisites for a disciple-maker. He himself must be a disciple of Jesus"<br /><br />Movement is a natural process with natural growth and without the power of the deliverance and love of Jesus Christ we can't step forward. <br /><br /><br />Blessings <br /><br />Saleem Masih <br />Chairman Grace Christian Outreach Ministry Pakistan. <br />DMMPAKISTAN <br />gracechristianpakistan@gmail.com <br />+923044369257 WhatsApp and call<br />www.dmmpakistan.org Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05815330925278541638noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8704744329627463945.post-30728370629801117712020-03-11T11:26:02.512-07:002020-03-11T11:26:02.512-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08845688769875962551noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8704744329627463945.post-42657119472188541982020-03-11T10:35:09.103-07:002020-03-11T10:35:09.103-07:00Thanks for your comment, with which I agree hearti...Thanks for your comment, with which I agree heartily. We agree with your comments on the dangers of outside money. We have not yet seen a single example where outside money has not produced dependency. It hinders the development of a tithing communities and thus prevents movements from expanding without outside support. Furthermore, if and when the money ends, there are always relational problems. <br /><br />We also appreciate your emphasis on community. This has been strongly reinforced by our experience both in the USA and in Ethiopia. Our colleagues have, therefore, built that into the movements they oversee. In fact, they don't consider a person to be a follower or member of a congregation unless he or she is a member of a small group with a trained leader. Each leader is him- or herself in a small group of leaders on his or her level, all the way up to the highest local level. The results have been very gratifying both in terms of growth and maturity. It is working in all demographic sectors. <br /><br />About "churches," what we see is that once there is a larger group of followers in a given geographical area, it is almost impossible, except in some MBB contexts, to prevent the formation of larger congregational-sized groups. They convey a certain sense of legitimacy and allow for a wider social context. They also allow exposure to more mature Bible teaching. Therefore, in our model, we don't try to prevent that. However, every such unit is carefully mentored so that a congregation supplements what is happening in the smaller groups and does not replace them. Whereas in the typical Western model, the large congregation is central and small groups are optional additions, in our model the small groups are essential and the larger congregation supplements them. We are certainly not batting 1.000, but we are gratified that once people experience a good level of community in the small groups, they are excited by them and they are relatively easy to maintain. In addition, the only route to congregational leadership is on-the-ground success in disciple-making through small groups. Once leaders are sold on this and experience success, they tend to want to maintain it.<br /><br />Thanks for your insights,<br />Ron Klaus, Hope in View<br />Ron Klaushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00340704394174935163noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8704744329627463945.post-27273124690736042352020-03-10T15:10:49.842-07:002020-03-10T15:10:49.842-07:00I have known of this problem in East Africa for a...I have known of this problem in East Africa for a few years. New Generations (with Jerry Trousdale) has been addressing this problem in different ways. Key has been uncovering and eliminating 'outside' funding. I have not heard of the same problem in other areas of the world, but suspect there are some.<br /><br />I think we all know that "outside" money has deleterious effects on movements. Raiding of movement leaders by other ministries and denominational groups is an ongoing problem. Also, leadership development is essential. <br /><br />'Mansour' in Iran, emphasizes insisting on and reaffirming commitments from all of the people he reaches. Without commitment and follow-through with their "I will" statements, he releases them and moves on to others. <br /><br />David Watson gives three stages of discipline that he uses:<br />1. If the person fails to follow through in completing a commitment, he asks them why and then requires a re-commitment.<br />2. If the person fails a second time, he tells them to contact him when it is complete and discontinues meeting with them until and if, they complete the commitment.<br />3. If they don't follow-through and contact him in a reasonable length of time, he then begins to look for someone else. Leaders and primary facilitators are expected to have a high levels of commitment and embody the DMM DNA, and expect that of those they lead to three generations deep.<br /><br />Here are the five characteristics of disciples of Jesus that separate them from followers, (after Ed Gross):<br />1. Obedience to his commands<br />2. Understanding, memorization, and sharing his teachings with others<br />3. Knowledge of the Old Testament, and understanding and ability to communicate all of Jesus' teachings about them.<br />4. Commitment to and imitation of Jesus; in particular his kingdom mission, glorifying the Father, and reliance on the Holy Spirit<br />5. Bringing others into the same relationship with Jesus that the disciple himself has.<br /><br />In the text, the Great Commission was given to disciples, not to believers or even followers. That means like the Twelve/Eleven, it is essential that each disciple-maker first becomes a disciple, embodying the five characteristics . Since Jesus is present whenever two or three are gathered in his name, the most natural place to begin is with the disciple-maker's family. The "start slow to grow fast" begins here. The disciple-maker's family should be both his own laboratory and initial model he works from.<br /><br />Jesus has all the power and authority and will be with his disciples (Matthew 28:18-20), but will not entrust himself to people whose hearts are unchanged (John 2:23-25). In other words, from Matthew, unless Jesus is involved there will be no movement. From John, heart transformation is necessary for Jesus to entrust himself to our actions. So, personal preparation and a transformed heart are essential prerequisites for a disciple-maker. He himself must be a disciple of Jesus.<br /><br />The article lists: prayer, community of believers, and worship in addition to loving Jesus and deep study and application of the the scriptures as important characteristics. Of these, I think living in community is an often overlooked factor. The discovery groups should become communities to the participants. I suspect that the emphasis on forming "church" forces these groups into a model that is more institutional than communal.<br /><br />Community building is an area that is not addressed in any current training, but I believe it deserves some focused attention. Like the whole DMM process, there are some counter-intuitive or at least counter-cultural concepts involved, As a minimum, focusing on disciples living in communities should precede establishing churches. The churches that grow out of these communities will likely be different and healthier, with better survival characteristics in hostile environments. <br /><br />BlessingsJim Lillyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09262152921183530538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8704744329627463945.post-69025119337586124232020-03-09T10:51:33.246-07:002020-03-09T10:51:33.246-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Prayer, Praise, and Planting Prayer Requestshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12801411350693100514noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8704744329627463945.post-34862780667803853202019-07-20T00:28:02.988-07:002019-07-20T00:28:02.988-07:00Premium Info! To grasp more extra further on Airsp...Premium Info! To grasp more extra further on <a href="https://duwatech.com//" rel="nofollow">Airspace Maps for Unmanned Operations</a> visit our website. 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Having them there was inspiring, encouraging, and strategic. PTL!jnelsonjennings@gmail.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04329536606619721149noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8704744329627463945.post-8842833768040037812016-02-29T23:12:02.823-08:002016-02-29T23:12:02.823-08:00I'm so sorry for your loss. How blessed you mu...I'm so sorry for your loss. How blessed you must have been to have known these godly friends and examples. Jill Riterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08441429185119103443noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8704744329627463945.post-84903564586457947212016-02-29T23:11:58.936-08:002016-02-29T23:11:58.936-08:00I'm so sorry for your loss. How blessed you mu...I'm so sorry for your loss. How blessed you must have been to have known these godly friends and examples. Jill Riterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08441429185119103443noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8704744329627463945.post-59960007341661650732015-10-05T10:59:30.994-07:002015-10-05T10:59:30.994-07:00We loved reading this overview of the Summit and o...We loved reading this overview of the Summit and of your first experience meeting George Verwer! So glad to hear the Lord blessed all those at the Summit!PLH (Priscilla)https://www.blogger.com/profile/01127310953968564138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8704744329627463945.post-40846607045147128162015-09-23T01:30:56.890-07:002015-09-23T01:30:56.890-07:00It was humbling and exceptional time. Thanks for t...It was humbling and exceptional time. Thanks for the value you added to the Summit this year Jon LewisTimothy Olonadehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15264462074211435015noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8704744329627463945.post-63829758304712497232015-09-23T01:30:51.096-07:002015-09-23T01:30:51.096-07:00It was humbling and exceptional time. Thanks for t...It was humbling and exceptional time. Thanks for the value you added to the Summit this year Jon LewisTimothy Olonadehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15264462074211435015noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8704744329627463945.post-69079293402450786482014-03-31T10:29:55.052-07:002014-03-31T10:29:55.052-07:00Sounds like a great conference, Jon. Do you ever ...Sounds like a great conference, Jon. Do you ever post your presentations or the material on line? If so, do you have the francophone versions? Thanks! SteveStevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01383960650667942617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8704744329627463945.post-47178223830716581172013-11-11T13:05:17.494-08:002013-11-11T13:05:17.494-08:00Jon, thanks for this great shout out about GMI'...Jon, thanks for this great shout out about GMI's ministry. It is exciting to see what God is doing. We really appreciate your leadership and input to help move GMI forward.Jon and Mindy Hirsthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05285995024127376431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8704744329627463945.post-72776631328899460902013-10-27T12:32:48.271-07:002013-10-27T12:32:48.271-07:00Great report, Jon. Very happy the guys in Angola ...Great report, Jon. Very happy the guys in Angola are being served well with the C182 diesel. Keep up the great journaling. Thanks for sharing your journey.Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01383960650667942617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8704744329627463945.post-61058670955907363872013-09-26T09:43:03.754-07:002013-09-26T09:43:03.754-07:00Great work Jon! Thanks for posting. Great work Jon! Thanks for posting. Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01383960650667942617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8704744329627463945.post-26463655177421011892013-03-15T23:35:37.287-07:002013-03-15T23:35:37.287-07:00Bon voyage Jon! Good to see you in the "neig...Bon voyage Jon! Good to see you in the "neighborhood". SteveStevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01383960650667942617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8704744329627463945.post-19250492154556439792013-01-06T14:16:05.086-08:002013-01-06T14:16:05.086-08:00One more factor is the strong influence of dualism...One more factor is the strong influence of dualism throughout the culture due to historig foundations of confucism and how it tends to even influence worldview and practice todayAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03105161750522634687noreply@blogger.com